After reading from the sohbet of Sheykh Mevlana Nazim, a murid asked, “Great saints like Abdul Qadir Geylani didn’t have so much. Then after a certain point they were living like Kings. What’s the secret behind that?”


Medet Ya Seyyidi Ya Sultanul Awliya, Medet.

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It was just said in the sohbet; the world is given in their hand and under their authority. But they don’t have it for themselves. They have it for others. Sheykh Abd Qadir wasn’t sitting and eating like that too. He was eating only to show people that he was eating. But Allah is saying that those who reached to that station, their eating is counted as worship, their sleeping is counted as worship and their talking is counted as worship.

There was a Sheykh who was always giving advice to his murids about these three things, saying, “Don’t do these three things: Don’t eat too much, don’t sleep too much and don’t talk too much.”

One day some person came from somewhere and the murids heard that this man is a Sheykh. In the dergah he was talking with them. He was talking non-stop. The murids were listening to him. When he was going to sleep he wouldn’t get up. As soon as he gets up he starts eating non-stop. The murids were thinking, “This man talks like a Sheykh but our Sheykh taught us that a man shouldn’t drink too much, eat too much, sleep too much and talk too much. This one is a Sheykh and he is doing the opposite.”

They went to their Sheykh and told him what happened. Their Sheykh said to them, “There must be something wrong. But let me just go and look at it.”

That one was a hidden one. When the Sheykh came to him, he looked and said, “Don’t you know Allah says that those who reached to that station their eating is worship, their sleeping is worship and their talking is worship?”

He said, “Yes. Please, you must speak to every one of us from now on.”

There is a test that Allah puts people through with their lives. Today, everyone is playing games saying, “Ah, I am under the test.” There are a couple of questions, whether you give answer to them or not, you pass. The real test is not like that. Allah put those people through that test with their lives. If they passed that test then everything was given to them because they were not for Dunya, they were for Akhirat. Everything was under their authority.

test and trials

Abdul Qadir Geylani (qaddasallau sirruh) was living alone in the mountain. He wasn’t running to find food or other things. He was keeping himself busy with Allah. He wasn’t worrying and running to pay rent or work saying, “I need this and I need that.” No. He said, “Allah is going to provide me with what I need. If it’s necessary for me then He is going to.”

That was the submission that he had. He was worshipping. And whenever it was necessary and he really needed to eat something, he would find some grass, which I remember from my childhood that we were doing that on the mountain. We were finding
some kind of mountain grass that doesn’t need to be cooked and we were eating it. And it fills you up.

What do you need?

The water is there too.

What else do you need? What is the need of man?

Man has to know first what his need is. But today’s people’s need is never ending. There is no end to their needs. They are piling everywhere and before you know it they are scared to use it too. They were not like that. They were going through tests which Allah was
putting. He (Abdul Qadir Geylani Hazretleri) passed the test. He was eating grass, water and keeping himself busy with Allah only. He wasn’t running around to teach people too. He didn’t care if he was going to be a Sheykh or he was going to have these many people
following him. No. He was not running for that.

sultan 2So Allah was looking at his sincerity. Then Allah inspired him, saying to him, “Go down to Baghdad and live like a king from now on. Eat like a king, live like a king and give the secrets to people.”

He got the command. He didn’t worry to think, “How am I going to live like a king.”

He said, “Allah is moving me.”

While Allah was moving that one and when he was entering to Baghdad, Allah was inspiring the richest man in Baghdad saying, “Go to the entrance of the city and you are going to find My servant coming. From now on you will be his servant. Serve him and you
will find safety in Dunya and Akhirat.”

The man had faith. He had the money too. He had the wealth. He built everything and he realized, “Oh, this is what I built it for. So I must go to see the owner who is coming.”

So he went, he saw Abdul Qadir Geylani (qs) coming and he said, “Please, come to be my guest. Allah is ordering me to serve you.” He had a place like a palace. He (Abdul Qadir Hazratleri) didn’t run to build it. Allah built it for him through other people. And he
wasn’t using it for himself. He was using it for other people again.

So Alhamdulillah, it is easy for Allah. It is not easy for man. When he gives a little bit he starts shaking, he starts worrying, he starts counting, he starts thinking and he starts planning. But Allah has endless treasures.

Submission is not by words. Sheykh says to that one, “Give this to that poor one.” These days they don’t give it to the Sheykhs also. If Sheykh says, “Bring the treasure and put it there”, what do people say? What are they going to say? “He is trying to fool me. He is trying to steal from me.”

Sheykh doesn’t need that. He is not for Dunya. He is in Dunya but he is not for Dunya. He is in Dunya for people, for their safety. Nothing else. If it’s necessary to take things away from you then he has to take things away from you because of your love and attachment to that.

So many people say, “I am so generous” but they are so much in love with those things. They make show that they are generous but they are not really. So Sheykh touches from this angle, that angle, moves it a little bit. As soon as he touches the button then `grrrr…’. Now he says, “Huh, that is in your heart. Dunya is in your heart.”

dunya saltwater

As long as dunya is in your heart no love of Ahirat is going to open. Impossible. You are not going to smell Paradise when the Dunya is in your heart. But when the Dunya is in your hand then yes. (Sheykh Efendi picks up a saucer with his index finger and thumb). This is how he was holding the Dunya. He had to, because he was living in Dunya.

What are today’s people living for?

Leave the unbelievers. What are the believers living for?

Dunya. Millions of them are for Dunya. That’s why they are not running to tariqats and to Sheykhs to give submission because submission comes with everything that you have. Not only by word saying, “I am submitting myself to you.”

“Are you submitting?”


Then Sheykh has the right to say to you, “Take out your clothes and put it there too.” Do you think that the one who has authority on your spirit doesn’t have authority on your wealth and your health? He can take it away from your hand so fast. And it is a blessing if the Sheykh says to you, “Go bring me this, bring me that and give me that.” It’s a big blessing to you. But this mentality is gone today. People lost this faith.

desires make slave out of king

People lost faith these days. Murids lost faith, people who call themselves murids, not murids-murids (real murids). Murids will never lose faith, the ones who are murid. But the ones who call themselves murids, some of them lost this faith. As soon as you touch, they start bargaining with you. What is the bargain? Can a slave bargain with his owner? That is his owner. If the owner says to his slave, “O my slave, what would you like to eat and drink?”

He says, “As you like. Whatever you give to me.”

He asks, “What would you like to wear?”

“Whatever you give to me.”

“Where do you want to sleep?”

“Any place that you show to me.”

He tries him like this and then he says to him, “Because you have so much submission like this I am giving you your freedom. You are not a slave anymore.”

And he asks, “How come you are like that?” He says, “Because I know that I am a slave. And if I am a slave and I am accepting it then how can I rise and say to you, `I want this and I want that?’ You are my owner. You know what my need is and you are going to give me that.”

slave of Allah

Hmm. Murids have no trust in their Sheykh. That is Ahir Zaman, the end of times. Trust?You don’t know what Sheykh has? You don’t know. He is not showing. If he says, “Don’t
breathe the air”, then breathe it. Go ahead. “Who cares?” he says to them. “You are not in that book as murids anyway. Say anything you like.” Huh, to be a murid, you need to have Adab, you need to have manners. Everything starts opening to a man who has manners. The more opens to him the more obedient he becomes to his Sheykh then. He can see the Paradises, he can enter and come back, but he will never leave his Sheykh then because what he is looking for is not even in Paradise. It is in his Sheykh’s hand and nobody else carries that.

So today Sufism, tariqat became people’s running to have some entertainment. Some are running to have some comfort. Some are already fed up with the outside world and they are getting old. They cannot do anything. They are tired of sitting home and so they are running to tariqat. This is the mentality of today’s tariqat. But did tariqats change and did Sheykhs lose that power?

No. They still have it. But this Dunya is garbage. So they are not looking for it. They are
circling around this world and they are just checking people. You may be sitting next to him for twenty years and you may get nothing. He is circling in the world, he is looking and he says, “This one has good behavior.” He gives it to that one and walks away. He never finishes. The more he gives the more comes. But can you give diamond to the hand
of an ignorant person? Can you take a diamond and throw it in front of a pig? What is he going to do with it?

So first you have to know what the treasure is. You have to know what you are looking for. And to get that you have to know what you have to sacrifice. You have to sacrifice something. Everyone has to sacrifice something. If you are not sacrificing it means that you are not really ready and prepared to get what is there. You just want it for your own
ego. You are never going to get that for your ego because then ego is going to cut your neck off. Sheytan is going to take that treasure, that secret and he is going to go away. And you will be in big trouble then.

So yes, in tariqat sometimes Sheykhs show the people the most luxurious life and sometimes they show them the worst lifestyle that people are going through. You have to go through it to understand. You may be with the Sheykh one week and you will be living like a king and the next week you will be living like a beggar in the street. Sheykh
has the right to tell you, “Let’s go, we are going outside now to start begging from people.”

Heh, what will you do then? If you have no submission, what are you going to do? You are going to say, “He is a thief. Is he trying to teach me how to steal or to ask from people?” So submission comes with everything you have. You no longer have your own ideas of thinking and understanding. If you cannot think the way that the Sheykh is directing you then it is forbidden for you to think and to try to analyze things by your own self because you are going to come to the wrong understanding. Sheytan is going to be there. So your
Sheykh is not there. Sheytan is going to be your Sheykh. And you are still going to say, “He is my Sheykh.” But no. Sheytan is your Sheykh. Sheytan is giving you directions then.

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Wa min Allahu taufiq.

This much is enough for you and for me inshaAllah.


Sohbet by Sheykh Abd Kerim Effendi Hz

Tuesday 15 Jumad al-Ahir, 1427
July 11, 2006
Osmanli Naks-i’bendi Hakkani Dergah, Siddiki Center, New York.


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