Why are there division in Islam such as Sunni, Shia and Salafis?


Question: Why are there division in Islam such as Sunni, Shia and Salafis?

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Prophet (asws) has already said 1400 years ago that Islam will be divided. It is not a shock, a surprise. He didn’t come to bring Paradise, to say everything is going to be perfect. He is showing us the illusion of this world, the evil of this world, the evil of our ego, the evil of our desire and the evil of sheytan in this world and is pointing to the perfection of the Ahiret and how to achieve them. He did not come to bring perfection. He came to reflect so that we have an idea, so that the whole point is to leave this world whether you believe or you don’t believe, Muslim or non-Muslim, you have to leave this world. But how you leave this world, that’s a big question.

If you want to leave this world to meet your Lord, your Lord will want to meet you. If you don’t want to meet your Lord, you think that time your Lord wants to meet you? So now, he (asws) did not say, ‘oh, I come to bring Islam, everybody is going to be one. Perfect. And everything is going to be like Jannat here.’ No. Islam is a religion of maturity and responsibility so that we understand now what is Haqq and what is Batil.  Haqq and Batil still exist. Truth and Falsehood still exist in this world, with the Prophet or without the Prophet (talking physically).


So Prophet (asws), 1400 years ago, he has said to his companions and his saying are recorded in a separate thing call the Hadiths, the saying of the Prophet, and things that the Prophet approve, although he didn’t say or he didn’t do but he sees others do or they say and he approves, that becomes the Sunnah. And all other books, they combine the saying of Allah, the saying of the Prophet, the commentaries, saying of Saints, and everything is mixed up. But in Islam, it is clear. Quran is the word of Allah. Then there is Hadiths e-Qudsi, which is private word of Allah, between Allah and his Prophet. That is a separate Hadiths Qudsi, meaning Qudus; it is Holy Hadiths. Then there is a Hadiths about the Prophet (asws), his life, what he said, what he did. That is different. Then there’s riwayat, the stories of the Sahaba e-Kiram, the companions who witness things and they did, that’s a different thing. Then there is commentary, tafsir, what  people who would came later, who would give commentary about the Quran, about the Hadiths e-Qudsi, about the Hadiths, and they would also say. If you combine everything up, you get everything confusing, so many books they are like that. But not the Quran.

So Prophet (asws) he has said 1400 years ago to his companions that Islam, the Muslims will be divided into not only three groups,  you are mentioning only three groups here; Sunni, Shia  and Salafi.  He said, ‘Islam will be divided into 73 different groups,’ not three. We are not shocked. We are not like so many other muslims that, ‘Oh they ask us a question ‘why is there division?’ If you say it’s peace and love and this and that and why is Muslims fighting against Muslims, eh, we look like we are deer caught in headlights, we don’t know how to answer that.’  No. It’s  already answered 1400 years ago.

Islam will be divided into 73 different groups. And the Prophet (asws) said, ‘only one is correct.’ He didn’t say two or three or five. Only one is correct. The rest, they are bounding to Hellfire. He didn’t leave it open for interpretation; which one is it? Is it this group or this group or this group? He named it. Because they asked him, ‘which group is that Ya Rasulullah (asws)?’ and openly he says, ‘those who follow. One group that is accepted, that is correct. One group. And that group that is the one who follows my example, my Sunnah, my lifestyle, my worship, my thinking, everything, who follows me and those who follows my Sahabis, my companions.’


He didn’t leave any wiggle room. Because if he just stop to say, ‘those who follow my sunnah, those who follow my example,’ now you have so many people claiming they follow the example. The example of the Prophet (asws) for example, for example, is like this much and they only look over here and they take, they don’t look everything here and they said, ‘we follow this Prophet properly. All you guys who follow this much, you are all wrong.’ Some is saying, ‘we take only this part. We don’t follow this part. We are taking this part. We are right, you are all wrong because…’ Everyone will have their own interpretation.

But he did not leave any rooms for that. He says, ‘those who follow my Sunnat and the Sunnat of my companions, my sahabis, because those are the ones that I leave my teachings to. If you don’t follow them,’ meaning, and who would the companions of the Prophet leave their teachings to? to us? No, to the generations after them. What about that generations after that? Are they going to leave it to us, one thousand years later? No, to the generation after that, to the generation after that. So if you are not holding on to that chain, to that Protocol, if you are saying, ‘I don’t want all these 1400 hundred years of people who follow. I don’t want all these generations. I want to cut to the chase, to the first generation,’ you’ll fall under one of the seventy-two that is bounding to Hellfire. He says, ‘those who follow my Sunnat and the Sunnat of my Sahabis.’

When there was one Khalifa, that for over thirteen hundred years there was one Khalifa representing Islam, any of those other divisions that they still say, ‘we want division. We don’t want to be with you,’ they have always been dealt with properly so that they don’t cause any confusion. In the time of the Prophet (asws), after he passed, already they were so divided, right after. 124 000 Sahabis, so many other ones, they are divided. There were already divisions at that time.

Some saying, ‘I follow everything but I don’t want to follow Abu Bakr Siddiq.’ They became Shia. Prophet never said. There was no Shia during the Prophet’s time. Then there are those who say, ‘we don’t want to follow Abu Bakr. We don’t want to follow those ones who said Ali should be the one. We don’t one to follow no one but only Allah and His book.’ Those became another group that is bounding to Hellfire and the Khalifah dealt with them. They worship. They make Zikr. They pray. They fast. They do everything, but they are not following the teachings of the Prophet and the Sunnat of the Prophet and the Prophet’s companions, they are not accepting the Prophet’s companions; those that he has given authority to. They are dealt with.


Then there are other groups who say, ‘we follow Prophet. We don’t want to follow Abu Bakr el-Siddiq. We declare our own selves to be Prophet.’ Hasha Astarghfirullah. Musaylamah the Liar, his name is. Musaylamah Qazaq, the greatest liar. He says, ‘I’m a Prophet.’ He even wrote a surah. He wrote a Surah that if somebody come now and recite the Surah, you’ll think that it’s from the Quran. It’s Arabic. Hmm, so many people proud of Arabic. Musaylamah is an Arab. It (the surah) is called the frog. It’s called the frog, really . Praising the frog. Then later says, ‘this world is divided into half. Half for Muhammad (asws) and half for me,’ he’s saying.  And he married a woman who declare herself to be a Prophet. Prophet and Prophet married. SubhanaAllah. And he gave a mahr to her, a dowry, saying, ‘oh as a dowry, I will drop two prayers, so you pray only three times, not five times. That is my mahr.’ The Khalifah dealt with that.

Every generation there is another group who says, ‘we don’t want to follow this way,’ Khalifah dealt with it. Another group comes out, Khalifah dealt with it. Another group comes out, Khalifah dealt with it. Then there was a big poison that came out in the early days called Kharijis, Khawarij, these are the grandfathers of the Salafis and the Wahabbis. The Khalifas dealt with it too and finish them off. Their teachings contained in a book, and thousand years later enemies coming in, one deranged scholar took the book and he started to make Fitnah. He was punished. His name is ibn Taymiyyah. He was punished. It fell down.

The teachings then later, with the enemies again coming in, because you see, Islam can only be destroyed from the inside, never from the outside and always in the clothes of a scholar. Another deranged scholars came, enemies supported him, took the teachings of ibn Taymiyyah and that one became one horn of sheytan. And that one’s name is Muhammad ibn abd Wahab. One horn of sheytan that he became followers calling themselves wahabbi.  There are two horns. And the other horn is representing the power, political power, of the people of that tribe that was in Najd, of that family and that family is Muhammad bin Saud. Two horns coming out from Najd, that the Prophet refuses to pray for Najd and he says, ‘two horns of sheytan will come out from Najd in the Ahir zaman.’

So, for 1300 years, different groups coming out, the Khalifah dealt with it. He dealt with it, he dealt with it. Bringing everyone to come back together now. But once the Khilafat started to become weaker, the enemy started to become stronger, they are supporting these ones inside of Islam and wahhabism starts to come out, then when they removed the Khilafat, they put these wahabis to be incharged of the Holy Places, then they destroyed everything. That was only less than a hundred and fifty years ago. So now, all these violence and terrorism and everything, trace it back, its background is not Sunni or Sufi or this or that. Use your imagination, if you don’t have intelligence.

May Allah protect us InsyaAllah.  So many foolish ones, ‘oh I’m Muslim. I’m not Sunni, or Sufi, or this or that. I’m muslim.’ And? What do you want me to give you? A medal? What kind of Muslim you are? Eh? These are divisions.

There are different groups, they are not divided, they are not in conflict, they are just different groups. For example, in Sunni, in the Ahle sunnat beliefs and teachings, they are ahle sunnat, the group that follows the Prophet, the sunnat of the Prophet and the sunnat of his Sahabi, the one group that is safe, four mazhabs, only four, not five. Four mazhabs, these are different Mazhabs, different schools within Islam. They are not fighting with each other. It’s just a different way. All same direction but different road. Hanafi, Shafii, Maliki and Hambali. Now within these four mazhabs, there may be over forty major turuk, Tarikat. These are spiritual ways inside of these mazhabs that if you want to deepen your faith now and to deepen your belief, if you want to go to a higher school, if you want to go to a tertiary education, then it is like that, you enter into a Tarikat and there are over forty-one major ways, and maybe tens of hundreds, maybe so many sub division, smaller branches from that. It is allowed. They are not fighting with each other.

Of course, once the head is removed, once the Sultan is removed, then all these ones, they are going to eat each other. They are going to butt heads with each other. Exactly what happens. The Khalifa was removed, now everyone starts eating each other. Conflict. Mazhabs start fighting with each other. Tarikat starts fighting with each other. Everyone fighting with each other, because the head is removed. So, we are pulling ourselves from all of that, finding ourselves some rest and peace on top of a mountain to practise our religion simply with sincerity. May Allah accept it, InsyaAllah.



 Hoja Lokman Efendi Hz, Khalifah of Shaykh Abdulkerim el Kibrisi (qs) * OSMANLI DERGAHI- New York 

January 16, 2015

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