Sheykh Effendi says a Murid can either become Nur or nar, and he gives light to people. Can you open this more?


Question: I read that Sheykh Effendi is saying that a Murid can either submit himself to the Sheykh, and if he does that he becomes Nur and he gives light to people, or he doesn’t submit and he becomes a nar, a fire, and that he gives light to people that way, and I’m asking if you can open what Sheykh Effendi is saying up more.

What do you understand from that?

Murid: That Murid in the end is going to give light to people, the Sheykh is going to make him to give light to people. If he submits to the Sheykh, then he himself will become light that it will be beneficial to him and he can guide people that way, or he burns through being disobedient and in that burning people take lesson from him, and that, through taking lesson from the wrong things that he’s doing and the consequences of that, he will be a light for people to get guidance.

Yeah, exactly that. So what more do you want? Take lesson, don’t be a lesson. It’s enough, taking lesson from everything. Don’t be a lesson. But are we taking lesson? How are you going to understand from that lesson? Don’t think, just because you are seeing some things, you are following a Sheykh, you are seeing certain things happen, and that’s it. So many they are like that, they are lazy, they don’t want to think, they don’t want to analyze, they don’t want to reflect, they don’t want to ask, they don’t want to open. The most important things they don’t want to. But when there are less important things, other people’s business, or business of dunya, they will open, they will investigate, they will go deep, they will talk, da, da, da. Because if you don’t take lesson, you will be a lesson.

We learn so many lessons, these years that have passed. So many lessons are in front of us. Are we taking those lessons? What it means, to be taking those lessons, too? That just for that time you are going to say ‘yeah, yeah, yeah, insyaAllah we are not going to be, Amin,’ and then later you are just going to do as you like, say what you want, feel what you want, behave as you like? Then you are not taking lesson. Then you have to burn. And be careful, there are also those that they burn, they don’t give any light. They burn only for themselves, no one can really learn anything from them too. Be careful from that, it can happen.

First you have to say, ‘if I take lesson, my actions are going to be different. If I take lesson, I am going to use that lesson when it is necessary, when I am being attacked, I am going to use that. When my ego is attacking me, I am going to use the sohbet.’ Don’t use the sohbet to have discussions and arguments, and to win that argument, and then when it comes to you just controlling your anger, ten years of sohbet goes over your head. What’s the use? But when you are sitting around, discussing about the tricks and traps of anger, oh, you can talk, talk, talk, talk, MashaAllah. Like Sheykh Effendi says, you talk too much. But when that time when you are supposed to, what Sheykh Effendi is saying, put the rein on your anger, on your ego, you don’t put any rein. What are those reins, what is this control? The sohbet. You put it on and you pull it back. You don’t just run like that.

Understand, the mistake of sheytan, not only in being disobedient, he was being stubborn, that he knows, but he pushes through. This is very wrong. You make mistakes, yes, but when you are being stubborn, that is the time you are putting the gas onto yourself, and you are going to crush more. Do you understand? Do you understand? Then when you take that lesson, what do you do? When you learn that lesson, what do you do? When you learn that lesson, what do you do? Sheykh Effendi is saying, you do something wrong, you run, run to fix it. You crash your car, you run to fix it. It’s expensive, right? You have to put money in, meaning there’s still consequences to pay. You cannot say ‘I fixed my car, I still have to pay money? My insurance goes up? What is this? I learned my lesson.’ Stubbornness and stupidity. Nobody says that if they crash their car, anyway.

What if you are crushing yourself in the Jamaat, with another one? What if you are crushing yourself against to those ones that they are beloved? What if you are crushing yourself against those ones who are protected? What do you do? What is it that you have to fix? Are you fixing, or are you still being stubborn or being stupid? What are you running to fix? What Sheykh Effendi liked, eh, put all of that aside, maybe it’s too much thinking, because you’re still very stubborn and stupid, during Sheykh Effendi’s time, if Sheykh Effendi is washing us up, and we do something wrong, and we go back to him the next day with a sad face, with a contrite face, regretful, whatever it is, Sheykh Effendi is happy with that or no? No. Why not? You are not fixing it. But this is another refined trick of the ego. You are not fixing it, but you want, what? You want pity. ‘I feel so bad,’ are you running to fix it? Not really. Everything is just normal. Running to fix has to be extra.

Number one, you are not running to fix it, but even if you are running to fix it, but you are just going to be so sour, oh, you are so angry with yourself, let’s say, you are so ashamed, you’re so this and that, yes, we all went through that. All of us did. We thought that’s what we are supposed to look, but Sheykh Effendi is teaching us something new. He says ‘don’t show me your sour faces, in front of me.’ Because what is it that he is giving us, when we mess up, we do something? What is it that he is giving? He’s punishing us, he’s putting fire on us? Nothing. It’s only our pride that is hurt. And so, feeling like this, it feels good. And maybe you want pity from others, maybe it feels good, to “punish” yourself, really, if you’re honestly punishing yourself, why you have to make a show? Be normal, be happy, and then be sad nighttime, people are sleeping, be as miserable as possible to your Lord. Cry. In front of people, be normal.

So where do we learn all these things, how to behave like that, wrong ways? We pick up from here and there, we learn from our parents, we learn from our traditions, we learn from our friends, our society, we learn, we pick up. But not the way that our Sheykh is teaching us, that he’s taking from 1400 years of spiritual training. Which one is easier to do? Let’s just say, which one is easier to do? To look miserable, it’s very easy, because you already feel miserable, right? But to fight against that and to look normal, which one is easy and which one is difficult? Do the difficult thing, before the time runs out. They have patience also, but there is a certain amount. You are supposed to learn by this age, you are supposed to learn by this age, by this age you’re supposed to learn this much, because you have to move forward, it’s not only you, so many other things, other people, your children, people you are supposed to touch, but you decide to put yourself and your own egoistic feelings above your duty for Haqq, that time, punishment will be on you. Do you understand?

We don’t have that luxury, I don’t have that luxury. You’ve seen me in those conditions, right, during Sheykh Effendi’s time? Did I sit in front of him and sulk, or show a different attitude, or try to, how you say, keep my distance? I continue. If he yells at me, he yells at me. He has every right. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t. But I know what he’s teaching us to do, and there must be something in it. So I do the more difficult thing. But if you say ‘no, no, this is more difficult for me to do it,’ then you got your sensors all wrong also. Then fix that. We don’t have too much luxury, to put our own personal feelings, in this way. Let’s put it another way. As Sheykh Effendi says, I’m not here to praise you. At the same time, those of you who know me, even during Sheykh Effendi’s time, it’s not as if every day Sheykh Effendi is cursing at us. It’s not as if every hour, every minute he says ‘you donkey, donkey, donkey, donkey, you good-for-nothing,’ no. Certain things are, what they say, pedagogical, just for teaching, so that our ego don’t blowup to think that we did something. As Sheykh Mevlana and Sheykh Effendi says, what is it that we are doing? Nothing. We are useless. Who are we comparing ourselves to, to say that we are useless? Who is our role model? Holy Prophet (AS), Sahabi e-Kiram, the Evliyaullah. Compared to them, we are useless. Maybe to other people, maybe they think we are using something, but it’s not for us to give credit to ourselves. And any good that we do, as believers, can we say we did it? What, we become so dishonorable, we say we did it? Allah is saying any good that comes to you, it is coming from Allah. Any bad is coming from our ego.

So we need to grow up, we need to change. We don’t have luxury anymore. It is not that difficult. It is not. It is not that difficult, just put yourself aside. It’s not that difficult. But when you put yourself there, you are looking at yourself and you are hurt and you are this and that, then it’s very difficult. It’s impossible. With one word, someone can destroy you. One word. My friend, long ago, said to me, ‘you know,’ he is, let me say in today’s culture, let me say that he is a bit sexist, racist, all this, but I used to know him, and he says ‘you know what? The most brilliant, the most intelligent, the most beautiful woman,’ he’s saying, ‘the most confident, with the most money, you can destroy them with one word. You just have to look at them and say ‘you look old and fat today, what happened?’ Then will be destroyed.’ That’s true, but I must say in today’s world also, it’s true for woman and it’s true for men. It’s become like that too, because the men got very jealous, women become women, now men also saying ‘let me also become woman too.’

So, how brittle are we? How brittle, how easily broken are we? The idol can be easily broken, not the spirit. The spirit will be unbroken, always. You can never break the spirit. So we don’t have luxury anymore, we have to grow up quickly, we have to grow up fast, we have to, okay, something comes, next, because so many things we have to continue doing. What is the fight, where is the fight? There is your own personal fight, and there is something that we have to be with, in the fight of Hz Mahdi (as). If you are not finished with your fighting, if you are still getting knocked down like this or like that by your ego, you think they will even consider us for that fight? Then what are we here, preparing ourselves for? So wake up. This is for you, and this is for me. Fatiha. Selam Aleykum wa Rahmatullah.


Sheykh Lokman Efendi Hz
Khalifah of SahibulSaif Shaykh Abdulkerim el Kibrisi (qs),

Osmanli Dergah, New York
23 Rabiul Awwal 1443
29 October 2021

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